1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,180 This weekly program will present factual and authentic reports on unidentified flying 2 00:00:08,180 --> 00:00:14,000 on geeks the world over and will present editorials by men and women from various fields of high 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,320 standing from around the globe. 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:25,200 And now the UFO story, Glombari reporting. 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:31,800 After revealing many authentic and official reports to the public via the UFO story concerning 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:38,600 one of the greatest mysteries of modern times unidentified flying objects, it will be quite 7 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:47,040 an amazing phenomenon this day in age to find there are still people who can say UFOs, ha, 8 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:53,560 no such thing, and not have their fingers crossed when they say it. 9 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:59,680 However, upon reporting factual and authentic reports of amazing incidents concerning the 10 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:05,880 strange objects that flit about in our skies at fantastic speeds and going through all kinds 11 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:14,120 of maneuvers and colorful displays, if there is anyone that still says no such thing, then 12 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:20,120 all I have to say is you can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make that horse 13 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,120 drink. 14 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:28,240 If this type of person does not drink the water in the sense of the word, it is because 15 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:35,040 he or she won't, regardless of an object landed right in their backyard. 16 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:41,040 The number of highly trained intelligent people that are publicly stating that the UFOs are 17 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,960 conclusively real is growing by leaps and bounds. 18 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:52,360 More important, however, than the UFOs is a factor which has surrounded them since they 19 00:01:52,360 --> 00:02:00,720 broke into the news across the world in June of 1947, and that same thing is now beginning 20 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:09,920 to surround everything in our daily lives which it should not, and that factor is secrecy, 21 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:16,440 a seven letter word that spells anger and more determination to the serious minded UFO 22 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:22,560 investigative organizations across the nation, across the world for that matter. 23 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,760 Another very fine investigative group in the United States publishes a monthly magazine 24 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:33,760 called Flying Saucers, the Magazine of Space Conquest. 25 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:40,600 Its editor is Ray Palmer, who conducts an unending investigation into the UFO mystery. 26 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,440 Their headquarters are located in Amherst, Wisconsin. 27 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:52,840 Mr. Palmer reports on an incident in the February 1959 issue concerning secrecy, of which I 28 00:02:52,840 --> 00:03:00,160 go along with due to the fact that I have run into the same type of closed doors when 29 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:05,760 checking on an authentic UFO report. 30 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:12,920 Did you know that there was a secret satellite circling the Earth at an altitude of 22,000 31 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:13,920 miles? 32 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:19,720 He'll say no, but that's probably just talk and he doesn't even know what he's speaking 33 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:20,720 about. 34 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,920 Friend, grab a hold. 35 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:29,520 For the scientists at Cape Canaveral, Florida say that it's there, believe me, it's there. 36 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:35,040 When you yourself can go and view it simply by exercising a little amount of reasonable 37 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,640 calculation, it is there. 38 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Ray Palmer states the first time they saw it, they reasoned that if it were a satellite, 39 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,880 it would come around again and they reserved their judgment until they did. 40 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:59,600 It appeared exactly where it should have, which can be easily calculated by anyone with 41 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,400 a small amount of astronomical knowledge. 42 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:08,520 Now, we'll get back to the mystery satellite in a few minutes, but let's continue on this 43 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,640 secret angle a little longer. 44 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:18,160 Not too long ago, I outlined a report concerning the disappearance of a jet, its pilot and 45 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:23,920 radar man, when it was sent to investigate a UFO over the state of Michigan. 46 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:24,920 Remember? 47 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:30,440 Well, let's dig a little deeper now into the UFO story. 48 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:37,800 The news that the Navy suspects UFOs are reasonable and responsible for the disappearance of several 49 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:43,720 of its jets off Florida makes the word secret stand out a little more. 50 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,680 Why should it be kept a secret? 51 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:53,640 If our jets are being disposed of in some way by something classified as an unidentified 52 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:59,480 flying object, then I think it's time the American public should be informed of it. 53 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,440 Mr. Palmer brings out a good point. 54 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:09,200 He wonders that Congress, like the American people, is being kept equally ignorant of what 55 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,920 certainly is an important matter. 56 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:20,040 Now, it should be determined positively whether or not the Navy has justification for its 57 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:28,160 suspicion, and then it can be done to prevent reoccurrences of what is certainly a tragedy. 58 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:35,840 Now, Palmer goes on to state that, quote, it is more of a blow to saddened parents to 59 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:42,840 be informed their sons are missing and presumed dead than to be informed that the cause may 60 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:47,600 be the mysterious UFOs, unquote. 61 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:55,600 Now, when we are told, even in the hearsay manner, that the Air Force is fearful of disclosing 62 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:01,760 all it knows about the UFOs because of the great burden of explanation it would have 63 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,600 to face from the public, we're a little more than just angered. 64 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:12,280 It would seem to me that the Air Force would want to get out and look for an explanation 65 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:13,800 of the mystery. 66 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:21,120 As Palmer states it, and I agree with him, quote, not by hiding their heads in the sand. 67 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:27,680 We expect them to get out and look for an explanation and keep us posted day by day on the progress 68 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:34,960 or by heavens we, the people, will put someone on the job that will look, unquote. 69 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:41,960 That is from a quotation in the February 1959 issue of the Flying Saucer magazine of which 70 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,560 Mr. Palmer edits. 71 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:51,880 Well, I think it is a quite a known fact through recent news releases published nationwide, 72 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:58,040 not only that the UFOs, but with other faces of the government that our government is shot 73 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:05,960 through with classified secrecy on many things that really should not be classified as such 74 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,800 and should be known to the public. 75 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:14,240 Now some of our own congressmen have made statements very similar to that. 76 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,640 Alas, of course, it is something that would endanger the security of the United States 77 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,800 and that's something else. 78 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:28,280 I'm sorry to repeat that today, even though it is still classified as the free press, 79 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:35,000 many facts that have been released by serious minded organizations investigating the UFO 80 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:42,920 industry have been posted to the wastebasket, but yet those same newspapers, those same radio 81 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:50,840 stations and those same TV stations and other news sources will report to the fullest extent 82 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:57,080 anything released by the government, especially the Air Force, concerning their alleged investigations 83 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,800 of the Flying Saucers. 84 00:07:58,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Why? 85 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:06,000 Why won't the free press or the newspapers, the radio, the television and other news sources 86 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,840 hear out the other side of that story? 87 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,600 Let's remember there's always two sides to every story. 88 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Why? 89 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Must it be a one side of the fair, only one side of that story? 90 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:24,480 Well, thanks to such radio stations as this one right now that you're listening to, you're 91 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:32,560 getting the true facts behind many authentic and official UFO reports you never knew of 92 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:38,320 before and I'm happy to report nearly half of the states in this country representing 93 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:46,160 a staggering amount of radio stations are hearing the UFO story as it unfolds the truth, 94 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,560 never before heard. 95 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:57,320 The present day policy of secrecy may have started out as a necessary item during the 96 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,760 war. 97 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Even ship ceilings had to be kept secret and nobody argued against the wisdom of all security 98 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:12,240 regulations but today this seems to have developed into quite a hideous thing which destroys all 99 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,120 the world's fought for through the years. 100 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:23,280 This is becoming top secret and behind it a galaxy of information that should be released 101 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,480 to the public which is not a security risk to this country. 102 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:34,320 If the UFOs are really from other planets, how will the facts about the UFOs in our 103 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:41,520 skies scare the kids who have been blasting off with Buck Rogers since way back in 1926? 104 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:42,520 I ask you. 105 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:49,120 Now there isn't a boy in America today who doesn't accept the reasonable possibility 106 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:55,360 that literally millions of other planets in the universe are inhabited by intelligent 107 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:01,840 beings and that it would be strange indeed if some of them had not already traveled through 108 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,520 space in the general direction of the earth. 109 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:10,720 The average youngster today seeing a strange dog cheek in the sky who kind of looks up 110 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,800 and says to himself, could be a spaceship. 111 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:20,160 And if it was, he wouldn't run and hide some blaze, he'd run into the field and lay 112 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,720 forwards to sin and the men from another world would step out. 113 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:31,280 Ha, he might even pick up a stick and let it to himself, just let him try anything. 114 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,760 But he knows it is likely they will not. 115 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,840 People intelligent enough to travel through space from planet to planet are apt to be 116 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:47,240 quite civilized and hardly looking for a fight. 117 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,720 If Russia otters a warlike threat, it's made known through all the news media, of radio, 118 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:59,560 television and newspaper, but if some fantastic UFO sighting occurred somewhere in the United 119 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:05,320 States worthy of plenty of news coverage about the only little coverage that would know about 120 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,400 it would be the vicinity in which it occurred. 121 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:17,440 However, I am happy again to report that the UFO story is being read and is being heard 122 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:25,720 by thousands across the country by a newspaper, radio and UFO publications. 123 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:32,240 The radio department of the Aerial Phenomena Investigation Society in Odean was the first 124 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:40,480 organization ever to offer such a program on a nationwide basis, on radio that is, and 125 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,160 it's spreading, I'm glad to say. 126 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,840 Since the secrecy angle of the UFOs has been pretty well covered for the time being, I'd 127 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:57,840 like to venture next into an alleged report of a message over shortwave radio from a being 128 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,040 of the planet Jupiter. 129 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:07,960 Now here's a real mystery that I feel, and I know that you go along with this, demands 130 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,560 some type of an answer. 131 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:18,000 Now listen, if you're a ham radio operator and you recall this incident, I would like 132 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,560 to hear from you as soon as possible. 133 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:27,000 Recently a news item was printed in the paper evidently in the southeastern portion of the 134 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:33,560 United States, and Ray Palmer, the editor of the Flying Salsa Magazine of Amherst, Wisconsin, 135 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:42,240 received a copy of that article, which was written by Virginia Cruising of the Gazette 136 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Farm Editor. 137 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:49,360 Now that's all the information that is available regarding that newspaper this time, and the 138 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,200 release is as follows, quote, 139 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Never underestimate the power of the enemy as a slogan long familiar to us. 140 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:03,960 For a lot of people in rural and urban areas in southeastern states, that slogan had added 141 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:10,400 up meaning after they heard a weird broadcast on shortwave radio on the night of August 142 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,880 the 3rd. 143 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:17,800 The incident almost resulted in the panic resembling the one started by Orson Wells and 144 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,160 his men from Mars. 145 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,680 Something has appeared in the newspapers about it except in one column in a Florida paper. 146 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:32,120 An Air Force man from Dayton who was visiting a local family told me about it. 147 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,680 Names and places are being repelled for security reasons. 148 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:42,320 The affair has apparently been hushed by the Federal Communications Commission. 149 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:48,880 On Sunday night, August the 3rd, ham radio operators from Florida to Kentucky heard the 150 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,840 voice of a man on the 75 meter international band. 151 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,320 He said he was Nikola from the planet Jupiter. 152 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,440 He was broadcasting from a spaceship 50,000 miles from the Earth. 153 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:10,600 He warned Americans that they must stop the hydrogen and atom bomb test because it will 154 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,440 eventually cause the entire solar system to blow up. 155 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,360 It will become so hot. 156 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:24,080 He spoke for two and a half hours in English, German, Norwegian and a musical gibberish 157 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:29,640 he said was the language of his home planet. 158 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:35,480 The Dayton man heard the broadcast and he contestified that it was no amateur job. 159 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:41,360 Some radio operators as well as FCC officials made tape recordings of the voice. 160 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,520 At the end of the performance, Nikola said it was getting too hot and he would have to 161 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,600 take a spaceship back to Jupiter. 162 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,600 It was the most powerful signal ever picked up in that area of the country. 163 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,200 There was plenty of time during the broadcast for hundreds to listen in as radio operators 164 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:07,360 called in friends and neighbors and phone long distance to relatives in other states. 165 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,120 And well, there it is. 166 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:16,200 That's the report as carried in the Gazette, a southeastern United States newspaper and 167 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,280 quite a startling item to say the least. 168 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:25,920 In a check with the FCC, it was stated that an inquiry by Ray Palmer was the first concerning 169 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,360 village broadcast. 170 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,800 They didn't seem to know anything about it. 171 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:36,320 The FCC does not state that there was no such broadcast, but it does limit its origin in 172 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:43,400 a foreign country, possibly a tropical country, and therefore not under its jurisdiction and 173 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,120 in fact impossible to trace. 174 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:51,800 Due to the fact the broadcast consumed two and a half hours, no doubt many ham radio 175 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,440 operators as they are referred to heard it. 176 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,200 With some no doubt making tape recordings. 177 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:04,200 Now remember, it was stated it was the most powerful signal ever picked up in that area. 178 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,000 It was not an amateur job. 179 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,800 It's possible this is all a big hoax and nothing to it. 180 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:16,200 However, if it did occur and somebody did make the tape recording of it or portions 181 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:22,000 of it, then we have a different light shining on that subject, that of truth. 182 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:28,460 If any ham radio operator hearing this broadcast recalls that incident and tape recorded the 183 00:16:28,460 --> 00:16:32,000 alleged talk, I would appreciate it very much. 184 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,720 The P or she would get in touch with me immediately. 185 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:42,240 You can reach me by addressing your letter to ATLAS, A-P-I-S, that's Aerial Phenomena 186 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:49,760 Investigation Society, 328 North 6th Street, Olean, New York. 187 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:55,200 Thanks, I'll be expecting to hear from you. 188 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,040 You've only heard the beginning folks, that's right only the beginning. 189 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,920 Next week I'm going to give a detailed report concerning a group of airline pilots that 190 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,360 evidently are tired of being pushed around and told by the Air Force officials that they've 191 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:11,240 been seeing hallucinations or something else. 192 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,440 This report will be very interesting and these pilots are connected with some of the major 193 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,640 airlines in the nation. 194 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:25,640 Soon you will hear an interview with Kenneth B. Keating and former Secretary of the Air 195 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,120 Force Thomas A. Finmutter. 196 00:17:28,120 --> 00:17:34,080 Any time a UFO investigator reports on findings involving some pretty fantastic UFO reports 197 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:41,400 he goes out on a limb, but the limb gets stronger when the public slowly but surely begins to 198 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:49,040 discover some of the many facts behind the mystery of the UFOs. 199 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,480 Well that wraps it up for this week. 200 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:57,520 Remember now if you have any questions concerning UFOs, send a letter to me. 201 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,520 You can do it. 202 00:17:58,520 --> 00:17:59,520 You can do it. 203 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,520 You can do it. 204 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:01,520 You can do it. 205 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,520 You can do it. 206 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:03,520 You can do it. 207 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:04,520 You can do it. 208 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:05,520 You can do it. 209 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,520 You can do it. 210 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:07,520 You can do it. 211 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,520 You can do it. 212 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,520 You can do it. 213 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,520 You can do it. 214 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:11,520 You can do it. 215 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,520 You can do it. 216 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:13,520 You can do it. 217 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:14,520 You can do it. 218 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:15,520 You can do it. 219 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,520 You can do it. 220 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,520 You can do it. 221 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,520 You can do it. 222 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,520 You can do it. 223 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,520 You can do it. 224 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:21,520 You can do it. 225 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,520 You can do it. 226 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:23,520 You can do it. 227 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,520 You can do it. 228 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:25,520 You can do it. 229 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,520 You can do it. 230 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:32,520 They UFO story will continue at the same time next week. 231 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,520 Bob Berry reporting. 232 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:44,120 This is W.L.K. A.M. and Duffam and Patriarch. 233 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:49,520 Fifth-year line and what they call straight line pilots have banded together. 234 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:55,520 All have seen unidentified blind objects and they have instructions to report each 235 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:03,360 exciting. But when they do, they're told that they've been having hallucinations, sworn 236 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:10,520 to secrecy, or told they haven't seen anything at all. Now, maybe it was the stars through 237 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:18,240 the broken clouds. Boy, I still haven't gotten over that one. And if the pilots persist, 238 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:25,040 they are asked if they prefer silence or go into a mental institution for examination. 239 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:31,640 All of the 50 pilots are flying out of Newark and have banded together. They have decided 240 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:37,320 to back each other up and are intending to make the whole thing public. Now, this particular 241 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:47,000 report was carried supposedly on the Canadian newscast on the evening of December 24, 1958. 242 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,760 Now the name of that radio station involved is not known at present, and efforts are being 243 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:58,160 made through space, the organization I just mentioned to you in Florida, that's their 244 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:04,880 SBA CE, and the organization headed by Mr. Norbit, that is, and APAS, to obtain this 245 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:12,040 necessary information in order that this report can be more closely checked. Now here is an 246 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:18,640 authentic report concerning two airline pilots. Now this actually happened, and we had definite 247 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:24,920 proof of this through the report, an incident in which they became involved. The co-pilot 248 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:30,960 of a super constellation in route from New York City to Miami, Florida, via the overwater 249 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:39,200 airline, saw a long illuminated UFO at a position of approximately 200 miles north northeast 250 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:45,040 of Palm Beach, Florida. The time was 7.35 p.m. and the altitude of the super constellation 251 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:52,960 was 18,000 feet. A safeguard-shaped object, and this is a common description of many UFO 252 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:59,720 reports, crossed the path of the airliner at an estimated distance of 5,000 feet in front 253 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:06,400 of the plane. It was a burning yellow in color with clearly outlined squares which gave off 254 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:15,680 a silver glow. The object was traveling from east to west at the time, and according to 255 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,480 the pilot, was traveling faster than anything that we have in the air today. When passing 256 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,960 in front of the airliner, it was on a level course, but rapidly climbed upward and proceeded 257 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,120 to the west. The object was only in view a few seconds and unfortunately for the co-pilot 258 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:38,520 at the time, the pilot was turned around in his seat getting something from his briefcase. 259 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:44,960 By the time the co-pilot got the pilot's attention back into the night sky, the object had already 260 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:55,440 disappeared. As a result of the pilot not seeing the UFO, no service, that's C-I-R-V-U-S, 261 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:01,840 no service report was filled out upon landing. The airplane commander is responsible for 262 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,680 filing up or reported this nature, but since he himself did not see the object, naturally 263 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:14,040 no report was filed out for the Air Force report. The co-pilot was with an Air Force 264 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:20,640 during World War II and flew as a Liason pilot, and also as a co-pilot on both B-17s 265 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:28,840 and P-BYs with the Air Rescue Service. Since that time, he has had 7,000 hours of flying 266 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:35,800 time with the major airlines and at the time of the sighting was a co-pilot on the largest 267 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:41,760 commercial passenger carrying flying out of the Miami International Airport. Now since 268 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:49,880 it is an airline policy not to release these reports to the general public, but to file 269 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:58,160 the service report to the Air Force, he has asked for his name or the airline of which 270 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:05,040 he works for be withheld from this report. Now it was impossible for this to have been 271 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:11,600 a missile firing witness from Cape Canaveral for two reasons. Those two reasons are as 272 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,400 follows. Number one, the object was traveling from east to west. The missiles traveled to 273 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:27,900 the south, southeast over a narrow corridor. Any mis-situation from this course is automatically 274 00:23:28,460 --> 00:23:34,700 destroyed, the missile. It is destroyed in the air as more or less a safety measure. Number 275 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:41,700 two, the object seen was in an area 200 miles north northeast of Palm Beach, Florida, which 276 00:23:42,980 --> 00:23:48,980 is placed north of Cape Canaveral, and will throw in an extra reason for good measure. 277 00:23:48,980 --> 00:23:55,140 If the firing had been imminent at the Cape, the airlines would not have been taking the 278 00:23:55,140 --> 00:24:01,700 street over water route from New York to Miami. The airline, partly over land and partly 279 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:08,140 over water and west of Cape Canaveral, would have been used. In addition to the sighting 280 00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:14,500 report, this same airline pilot reports the following account of the UFO encountered in 281 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:21,580 the air in November of 1952. At the time, it was flying a C-46 between California and 282 00:24:21,620 --> 00:24:27,820 New York on the time of approximately 1 a.m. Between Passport and Winslow, Arizona, at 283 00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:33,740 an altitude of 11,000 feet, the pilot saw what he first saw as a falling star. It appeared 284 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:38,780 in the eastern sky, which was clear at the time. It kept getting closer, however, and 285 00:24:38,780 --> 00:24:44,060 increased in size and brilliance. Then, pow, the object continued coming toward the plane 286 00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:49,980 until it seemed that it was going to collide head on. Both pilots saw the entire incident 287 00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:55,420 very clearly. He pulled up into a steep climbing turn to the right. In the middle of the turn, 288 00:24:55,420 --> 00:25:01,500 the object, which the two estimated to be 100 feet in diameter and growing a brilliant 289 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:07,620 yellow, passed directly under the plane. The pilot came out of the turn on a reverse heading 290 00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:13,300 and then watched the object continue westward until it climbed upward and disappeared among 291 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:19,180 the stars. The glow lit up the entire passenger compartment of that plane, which at the time 292 00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:24,060 was in total darkness. Several crewmen who were in the passenger compartment saw the light 293 00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:30,220 at the same time. The same day, the pilot and his crew landed in St. Louis and New York, 294 00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:37,660 and both places, bearable by the fact that an on-it-and-abide object was seen by observatories. 295 00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:45,340 Am was picked up on radar, speeding across the United States at better than 2,000 miles an hour. 296 00:25:46,220 --> 00:25:56,300 Now, the times and the locations given coincide with the sighting of those two pilots. 297 00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:02,940 The airline pilot was quizzed by Norma Gerrity, the head of the Saucer Phenomena and Celestial 298 00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:09,180 Enigma, that's space, with headquarters in Coral Gables, Florida, and the questions when this 299 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:15,180 follows. Do you agree with the current policy of summer secrecy on the part of these 300 00:26:15,820 --> 00:26:22,780 on those in charge of investigations of this phenomena for our government? The answer? No. 301 00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:28,780 Now, we're quoting, no. I can't say that I do because I think the people in this country are 302 00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:35,420 certainly capable of understanding this. It is put, if it is put to them in the right way, 303 00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:40,860 just like my own position. I am told by my company and the government actually, 304 00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:47,180 indirectly, to make reports of any sightings which we have. We are supposed to make a report on it, 305 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:53,020 but that's about all the good it does, actually, because that's the last we or anybody else hears 306 00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:59,820 about it. There's a so-called sort of investigation, and then they seem to try to explain it away or 307 00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:06,540 something ordinary, or try to tell you that you are just seeing things. No, I do not agree with 308 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:14,780 the present policy. Unquote. In closing this particular report, it's noteworthy of pointing 309 00:27:14,780 --> 00:27:20,380 out once again that the Air Force does not recognize the flying saucers as being something 310 00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:27,020 definitely unidentifiable. They say that there are no such things as flying saucers. Well, 311 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:32,220 let's keep in mind the United States government does not officially recognize the government of 312 00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:40,620 red China. Therefore, by their own reasoning, red China does not exist. Hence, even though 313 00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:46,780 multitudes of saucer reports continue to come in from all parts of the world every day, they just 314 00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:56,780 don't exist because our government doesn't recognize them as such flying saucers. 315 00:27:57,740 --> 00:28:04,300 A few weeks ago, I outlined a report now known by the public in general concerning a mystery 316 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:10,380 satellite circling the Earth at an altitude of 22,000 miles. Let's take into that one and show 317 00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:15,980 you what happened. The hush-hush on this report, here it is, and the complete detailed account, 318 00:28:15,980 --> 00:28:24,460 including a network of our debts keeping track of it. Here's the report, thanks to Ray Palmer and 319 00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:31,100 his very fine publication Flying Saucers, the magazine of space conquest of Amherst, Wisconsin. 320 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:35,900 Shortly after the third sputnik was launched, the world in general watched to see what was going 321 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:41,100 to be the next move by the Russians in their conquest of space. It was the opinion of experts 322 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:46,460 that the Russians would prize some sensational event concerning space and satellites. A close 323 00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:52,060 watch was maintained, but nothing happened. As time drifted, the American public was informed 324 00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:57,580 that we were keeping pace with the Russians. Fine, I'm in favor of that 100%, I'm sure you are too. 325 00:28:58,140 --> 00:29:04,860 During the summer of 1958, many UFO investigative groups and the public kept their eyes on the 326 00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:10,380 skies watching for the rocket carrier of Russia's third satellite to go over at scheduled times 327 00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:17,420 during the night. One night, a group was keeping a watch for the rocket carrier and its familiar 328 00:29:17,420 --> 00:29:22,380 pulsating light as it reflected the light of the sun during its tumbling motion through space. 329 00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:27,420 However, they missed the sighting and decided to check the sky and attempt to see it and to find 330 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:34,540 it. While doing so, and looking into the southwestern sky, a large number of jets were seen. Well, 331 00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:40,780 now what gives here? The jets were plainly visible, each with a light. The roar of jets were very 332 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:46,380 audible and it seemed to be coming from everywhere. Two jets seemed to be on a collision course. 333 00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:51,980 The group watched intently. Suddenly, they realized a sound type of pattern was being 334 00:29:51,980 --> 00:29:58,780 flown by these large group of jets. The big question is, what are 20 or more jets doing in 335 00:29:58,780 --> 00:30:07,820 one small locale where never more than three had been observed at any one time before, especially 336 00:30:07,820 --> 00:30:18,220 at night? The answer was evident. At almost the same time when rising out of the southwest 337 00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:22,940 came a brilliant white dot, brighter than the brightest star, even brighter than Venus, 338 00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:28,860 whether it is the evening star. The brilliance of it dimmed, faded the rest of half its original 339 00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:35,500 brilliance, then it started to glow again. After we have viewing this and viewing it for a period 340 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:40,780 of 15 to 20 seconds, it was very evident that this was fluctuating at about twice the rate 341 00:30:40,780 --> 00:30:45,900 than the third Russian rocket carrier. This suggested one definite thing. Another satellite 342 00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:51,740 was in orbit. It floated slowly across the sky, covering the distance from horizon to horizon 343 00:30:51,740 --> 00:30:57,420 in a period of about four and a half minutes, shorter than the seven minutes of Sputnik II. 344 00:30:58,540 --> 00:31:04,380 In the meantime, the jets rolled a fantastic pattern over the sky, moving in the same direction 345 00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:10,780 of the fluctuating spot of light in the heavens until both the satellite and the jets disappeared 346 00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:17,180 in the northeast. This object was traveling in the southwest to northeast course. Was this 347 00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:23,100 another Russian Sputnik? And if so, it would reappear the next night, slightly to the west of 348 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:28,860 its present path across the sky. The group decided to have a look the next night and see if the 349 00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:34,700 mystery object would reappear. A watch was set up getting in the way at 9 p.m. the next night. 350 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:40,060 The wait wasn't very long. 45 minutes ticked away and it happened five minutes before the 351 00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:47,740 object appeared. The same fantastic number of jets appeared in the sky and began the same sort of a 352 00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:53,580 pattern flying as the previous night. Then the orbiting satellite appeared. No doubt about it, 353 00:31:53,580 --> 00:32:01,580 here was a new satellite the world did not know about. Was it ours or was it the Russians? 354 00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:08,460 Was the fact the group of jets appearing two consecutive nights in the same area and following 355 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:15,980 the object till it was out of sight, the group answers this particular question. It was thought 356 00:32:15,980 --> 00:32:22,140 that the jets were getting radar fixes on the circling satellite. Opinion was given by officials 357 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:29,420 of the Flying Sorcerer magazine at Amherst, Wisconsin that similar jets and similar jet flights 358 00:32:29,420 --> 00:32:35,100 were occurring all along the pathway of the satellite from the Gulf of Mexico to Hudson's Bay. 359 00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:42,460 It seems as though that only need for such activities such as the jets were displaying 360 00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:50,300 each night would be the fact of Russians identify for the new satellite, that this was the Russian 361 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:55,820 satellite. It was further thought that as soon as the facts were gathered the American public 362 00:32:55,820 --> 00:33:03,180 would be informed of the entire matter. No such information was forthcoming according to Mr. 363 00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:12,380 Palmer's publication. Now if American in origin why keep the triumph a secret and if Russian 364 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:23,180 what did secret and secrecy on their part portend. Palmer started to receive letters from his readers 365 00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:28,060 concerning the mystery object. Other publications started receiving letters from their readers 366 00:33:28,060 --> 00:33:34,060 along the same line reporting the satellite. The reports came in from Oklahoma to New Jersey. 367 00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:38,540 The time of the observation mentioned by the readers coincided with the sighting of the 368 00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:47,340 Palmer group. Now this new satellite was so easy to observe that it seemed to be just a matter of 369 00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:53,420 time before official announcement would be forthcoming. Then a release dated November the 23rd, 370 00:33:53,420 --> 00:34:01,420 1958, more than four months after the initial sighting occurred on the back pages of Aviation Week 371 00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:08,060 magazine on the date November the 23rd. A more complete report appeared in the state of Wisconsin 372 00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:14,220 and the city of Milwaukee. The paper, the Milwaukee Sentinel. Now here's a portion of the report as 373 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:24,380 it appeared in the Milwaukee paper Washington November the 23rd. The WS-117L Century, first U.S. 374 00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:29,580 reconnaissance satellite is scheduled to be shot into orbit December the 15th from Vandenberg Air 375 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:35,820 Force Base, California. Aviation Week said an article Sunday. A follow-up shot may be tried 376 00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:42,380 about two weeks later. It will include a payload of from 400 to 450 pounds including a telescopic 377 00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:49,820 camera. Later versions will include infrared and television type cameras. Although this is the first 378 00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:57,660 highest attempt to view the earth with a satellite camera, the Soviets already may have put up a similar 379 00:34:58,780 --> 00:35:05,260 satellite. The Air Force of Cape Canaveral Florida on September the 24th, 1958 picked up a 380 00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:12,940 three-hour long signal from a frequency used by the Soviets but not by the United States indicating 381 00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:20,700 a 22,000 mile high orbit. Odd and quote. Now there's the report as it's done. Well, need I say 382 00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:26,700 anymore? There it is. Naintly tucked away and hidden very nicely halfway through the article. 383 00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:31,500 The headline indicated the Air Force is planning to fire a reconnaissance satellite but nothing 384 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:37,100 about the mystery satellite that was picked up at Cape Canaveral Florida in the headline that is. 385 00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:47,020 Actually, to a newsman and being a news director of radio station W.R. Ministry of 386 00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:51,340 Annually and in correspondence for the Buffalo Evening News, the portion of the news released 387 00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:57,180 concerning the signal picked up at Cape Canaveral Florida by the Air Force on a frequency used by 388 00:35:57,180 --> 00:36:02,300 the Russian with the object estimated to be 22,000 miles above the earth would have far 389 00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:11,020 overshadowed the rest of that article. Well, there it is. We've got a lot of UFO activity coming up 390 00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:16,620 for you and some very interesting articles coming up next week. Well, I don't miss it. This is going 391 00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:22,860 to be real special but that wraps it up for this week, friends. The UFO story is a public information 392 00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:28,540 program presented by the aerial phenomenon investigation society in early in New York 393 00:36:28,540 --> 00:36:35,180 through the cooperation of this radio station. The UFO story will continue at the same time 394 00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:47,660 next week. Bob Berry reporting. W.A.L.K. M. Lougham in Patrick. 395 00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:59,820 All the New York presents the UFO story, a public service information program through the courtesy 396 00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:07,020 of this radio station. This weekly program will present factual and authentic reports on unidentified 397 00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:12,620 flying objects the world over and will present editorials by men and women from various fields 398 00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:20,460 of high standing from around the globe. And now the UFO story, Bob Berry reporting. 399 00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:26,700 This week's UFO story will no doubt be one of the most 400 00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:33,660 talked about sessions in a good many months to come. And I hope that you, as Americans, 401 00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:42,140 will get busy and voice your opinions and request to your congressman. What I'm about to relay to 402 00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:49,740 you as far as I can see and understand is taking away a man's own privilege at his right to express 403 00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:57,900 to interested persons what he saw or what he experienced. This is not Russia and nobody 404 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:03,580 should be permitted or have the power to go around to tell a man to clam up or else 405 00:38:03,580 --> 00:38:11,020 stand the chance of losing his job. Well, that's about the bulk of it. Embrace yourself as we 406 00:38:11,020 --> 00:38:18,380 go further behind the scenes of the UFO story and Friends the Plot Thickens. 407 00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:24,380 First of all, let's quickly go back over the UFO report of Captain Peter Killian 408 00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:31,020 of the American Airlines reported to you recently on this program. Captain Killian of 409 00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:37,260 Siles at Long Island, a pilot who has flown the passenger planes for 15 years, 410 00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:43,100 said that three mysterious objects that looked like shining saucers appeared to accompany his plane 411 00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:51,500 for a period of 45 minutes on Tuesday night, February the 24th, 1959, on its nonstop flight 412 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:58,380 from Newark, New Jersey to Detroit. He also said that the crew of 35 passengers also witnessed 413 00:38:58,380 --> 00:39:05,020 the UFOs. Captain Killian said that he radioed two other American Airlines planes flying into 414 00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:12,540 the vicinity and they reported seeing the mysterious objects also. Our next move is to let you 415 00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:19,820 hear Captain Killian tell of his own experience in his own words. Thanks to the fast-taking of 416 00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:27,100 Hugh McPherson, who conducts a very fine record show over radio station WCHS in Charleston, 417 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:34,380 West Virginia, this interview was accomplished. Mr. McPherson has brought many UFO facts and reports 418 00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:41,580 to his listeners for several years on his nightly record show and is to be commended for his very 419 00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:47,900 fine work in this field. Here now is a tape recorded telephone conversation between Hugh 420 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:57,660 McPherson and Captain Peter Killian. I was on a flight, of course, from Newark, New Jersey to 421 00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:09,100 Detroit, nonstop, and the flight was carrying me through Goldsburg, Pennsylvania, through Bradford, 422 00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:20,780 Keyree, directly across the lake of Lake Erie to Detroit. My flight was 8,500 feet and I was flying 423 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:30,620 by visual flight rules above an overcast. The overcast itself was roughly 5,000 feet 424 00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:38,700 and above the clouds it was ceiling and visibility were both unlimited with 425 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:47,740 very excellent visibility and no upper clouds at all. Roughly about quarter to nine 426 00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:54,460 while I was having my dinner, like all good clouds do much in a while. 427 00:40:54,460 --> 00:41:09,500 I noticed out on my left window there were three lights out of my left side of the 428 00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:19,660 nine o'clock position. These three lights maintained this relative position for from 35 to 40 minutes. 429 00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:31,900 Their color was from a yellow to a light orange and they were these three lights from a 430 00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:40,300 horizontal position and they represented or they they assumed the same 431 00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:53,980 look as they felt of the constellation Orion. The interval was maintained throughout the distance 432 00:41:54,540 --> 00:42:04,860 of these three. However, occasionally the third object which was the last one in the line 433 00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:13,660 he occasionally dropped back some blood and also gained altitude but generally speaking they 434 00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:25,500 maintained the same position. Occasionally also they heated up quite a bit and pulled the head to 435 00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:35,500 almost directly, let's say at 1130, across to my position and then they would slow down again 436 00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:45,820 and drop back right off my wing tip. And as I say this went on for 35 to 40 minutes. 437 00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:57,340 It took me up slightly when I first noticed them but after looking at them for a while I 438 00:42:57,340 --> 00:43:05,500 sort of got used to the idea that anyhow they're the one big thing that I that 439 00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:19,020 struck me very noticeably was the brilliance and or luminosity of their color. It would go from a 440 00:43:19,580 --> 00:43:26,380 light tint to a very bright brilliant color and then it would go back to them again. 441 00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:37,100 And during this period occasionally the light would be extinguished completely and I'd only 442 00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:42,540 see two of them and then the hall of my baby he would come back again and there'd be three 443 00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:49,500 and maybe the two lights would go out and there'd only be one and in case the whole three would go 444 00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:55,580 out now I wouldn't see any. Well could you tell the distance from your plane to these objects? 445 00:43:55,820 --> 00:44:05,180 No I couldn't. It's impossible because I didn't either know their size or their altitude. They were 446 00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:15,260 definitely higher than I was but it would be but the same thing would be if a person had a 447 00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:22,460 light in the middle of a dark field at night it would be impossible for you to know just looking 448 00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:31,500 at the light if this light were a hundred feet away from you or a thousand feet because if you 449 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:38,140 don't know the size to give you an idea of distance. Well Captain you've been flying for 15 years. You've 450 00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:45,740 ever seen anything like this before? No sir in all of my period of flying I have never in my life 451 00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:56,220 seen anything even remotely resembling this. 15 years for the airlines and also about 13 years 452 00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:05,660 of my flight. How many passengers did you have on the flight? I had 40 passengers and 453 00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:13,660 after I first noticed the object I brought it to the attention of my co-pilot and also my 454 00:45:13,660 --> 00:45:22,940 flight engineer and we three sat there the stewardesses came up the two stewardesses and 455 00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:31,100 the five other steaks sat there and watched them for quite a while and in the meantime I was 456 00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:37,500 mulling over in the back of my mind whether I should call up to the passengers but I finally 457 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:48,140 decided to and before I did I also told them I only had a cup of hot tea to drink and nothing else 458 00:45:48,220 --> 00:45:58,220 and there were no fighting bugs and they came and everybody took it very well as a matter of fact 459 00:45:58,220 --> 00:46:04,780 it was the most enjoyable to them there was only one passenger who was slightly apprehensive 460 00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:10,860 as a matter of fact there were several passengers who wanted me to go over closer but 461 00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:18,700 I thought the discretion was a better part of power and I remained on court. Absolutely well 462 00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:26,700 captain have you had any feelings and regards to unidentified flying objects before this? 463 00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:36,620 Well of course I suppose I'm no different than all the rest of the average American 464 00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:44,460 individuals that we read about it and we wonder if the person who excited it was 465 00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:55,260 as they was sober or sane or telling the truth or what and generally though you thought had a 466 00:46:55,260 --> 00:47:02,700 feeling like you couldn't discount them internally and that was generally my feeling I thought well 467 00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:09,900 there must be something to it that's what I wasn't sure. Yes well do you think that these could be 468 00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:22,780 possibly long to our Air Force? These things that you saw? The in an airplane I might like to say 469 00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:31,260 in an airplane only has several white lights one is a landing light which shines straightforward 470 00:47:32,060 --> 00:47:37,500 and the other is a white tail light which you can only see when you're to the rear 471 00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:43,980 so in either case if it were either the landing light or the tail light it would mean that the 472 00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:49,580 air if it were an aircraft would be either flying directly towards me or away from me 473 00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:58,380 and in no event could they stay there for surely for 35 or 40 minutes. Yes. That in itself was 474 00:47:58,620 --> 00:48:07,820 uh refused it. Refused the idea of being an aircraft. Yes well another thing captain did you 475 00:48:07,820 --> 00:48:15,100 notify any other planes in the vicinity? Yes I did when I was over Erie Pennsylvania I uh 476 00:48:16,140 --> 00:48:23,900 I called on my company frequency and asked if there were any other airplanes in the vicinity 477 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:33,580 in number two. There was one around Toledo and another one around uh well around Winter Canada 478 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:41,100 and both of them when I brought it to their attention both of them side is the the same three 479 00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:51,660 bright uh shining objects and they all three I mean the other two also admitted that they were 480 00:48:51,660 --> 00:49:00,140 higher than they were. I then called Airway Traffic Control and asked them if they had a 481 00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:11,900 flight of any three planes on an Airway Traffic clearance and there was none. I also tried to 482 00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:18,220 pick them up on my radar set but our radar is primarily for weather surveillance and that's 483 00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:25,500 for airplanes and could not pick them up. So I didn't give anything on my radar. Well captain 484 00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:32,540 if you've been contacted by the United States government or anyone uh in regards to the sightings 485 00:49:32,540 --> 00:49:41,900 about. Uh and not personally however indirectly I believe that uh we have a procedure with the 486 00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:50,860 airline that uh when there are unknown sightings of any kind that we make a report to our company 487 00:49:50,860 --> 00:50:00,780 which in turn uh reports it to the government for immediate dissemination which I did at that time. 488 00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:09,180 I immediately called my company in Detroit and uh Detroit itself gave it to the government 489 00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:18,060 and see for any unidentified uh objects of either on the ground or in the sea or in the air. 490 00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:28,060 Captain again how fast were you traveling? Roughly 280 to 300 miles an hour. I see well I do 491 00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:33,500 appreciate devoting your time to our listeners this morning captain and if you're ever in Charleston 492 00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:39,660 muster J you do fly through this part of the country? Yes I uh in case may do land there uh 493 00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:47,420 I've been to Charleston many times and I have always uh as Marjus said it very very much. 494 00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:53,580 What do you think about this canola airport coming on top of the mountain? Well I uh again I have uh 495 00:50:53,580 --> 00:51:00,620 you have a fine little airport there it uh it doesn't really accommodate all of the 496 00:51:01,260 --> 00:51:08,620 I'd say it's going to accommodate the larger jet aircraft but you do have a an excellent airport 497 00:51:08,620 --> 00:51:15,660 or for the smaller airplanes. Well thank you captain and when you're here in Charleston please 498 00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:22,220 give me a ring and have a bike date with us. Well it's been a pleasure talking to you. Thank you captain. 499 00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:32,300 Well there it is and our thanks to Hugh McPherson of radio station WCHS and Charleston, 500 00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:38,540 West Virginia for this very fine interview. First of all the U.S. Air Force commented 501 00:51:38,540 --> 00:51:44,380 shortly after deciding that probably what the airline pilots saw as well as Air Force pilots 502 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:49,980 on the same night were stars through broken clouds. I wrote to the Air Force Technical 503 00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:55,260 Intelligence Center at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio for an explanation of the sighting. 504 00:51:55,260 --> 00:52:02,540 The original news release stated that quote experts at ATIC figured the pilots probably saw 505 00:52:02,540 --> 00:52:07,900 stars through broken clouds unquote. My letter was referred to the Department of the Air Force 506 00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:13,420 at Washington DC. I received a letter from the office and the secretary there dated March the 18th, 507 00:52:13,420 --> 00:52:22,220 1959, it states as follows quote your letter of 28th February 1959 concerning several February 508 00:52:22,220 --> 00:52:27,900 unidentified blind object sightings addressed to Air Technical Intelligence Center has been 509 00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:35,020 referred to this office for reply. The American Airlines sightings of 24th February near Bradford 510 00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:42,780 Pennsylvania turned out to be B-47 type aircraft accomplishing night refueling from KC-97 tankers. 511 00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:49,500 The American Airlines pilots reported the sighting confirmed this and Air Force records show that the 512 00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:56,060 three B-47 type aircraft were in the vicinity of Bradford Pennsylvania on a night refueling 513 00:52:56,060 --> 00:53:01,500 operation. The tanker has several groups of lights which at a distance would appear to be one or 514 00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:07,500 more lights. The time duration of a refueling operation varies can well last over an hour 515 00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:14,460 depending on the type of operation. The KC-97 refueling a B-47 will fly at a altitude of 516 00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:21,020 approximately 17,000 feet and around 230 knots true. This will account for the lights being 517 00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:27,500 approximately 30 degrees above the American Airlines pilots horizon and his seeing them for 40 minutes 518 00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:34,140 unquote. More on the Air Force later concerning this sighting later but let's stay on this Captain 519 00:53:34,140 --> 00:53:39,020 Killian bit just a little longer. Captain Killian was given permission by the Detroit 520 00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:44,700 Michigan Headquarters office of American Airlines to release his report concerning his sightings. 521 00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:50,620 We remember during his interview, we heard just a few moments ago, he states that he checked with the 522 00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:56,700 flight pattern office and they state that there was no flight pattern filed for that particular area 523 00:53:56,700 --> 00:54:03,180 at that time. As a result of this particular news release, radio stations, newspapers and TV 524 00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:08,140 spaces, the nation over reported the incident. Killian received many long-distance phone calls, 525 00:54:08,140 --> 00:54:13,980 telegrams and letters from all over asking about his sighting. He accepted a few speaking engagements 526 00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:19,340 near his home state to tell of his experience. Sightings continue to be seen the country over 527 00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:25,580 in days and nights to follow the now famous Tuesday, February the 24th sighting of Captain Killian. 528 00:54:25,580 --> 00:54:32,700 Then something happened. He was told to cease telling of his experience concerning his sighting 529 00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:39,580 of three flying saucers. Thursday, April the 2nd, 1959, the Aerial Phenomene Investigation Society 530 00:54:39,580 --> 00:54:46,460 in Oly-Anne, New York received reports from three serious-minded UFO investigative groups all 531 00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:53,980 reporting the same thing. Captain Killian has hushed up. He won't talk. More on this next week. 532 00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:58,700 Well, that wraps it up for this week. If you have any questions concerning 533 00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:04,780 Ahmed and the five flying objects, send a letter to me. Bob Berry in Carol Pappas, 534 00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:14,700 A-P-I-S, 328 North 6th Street, O-L-E-A-N, O-L-E-A-N, O-L-E-N, New York. And we'll do our best to 535 00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:19,820 answer your questions. The U.F. Full Story is a public information program presented by the 536 00:55:19,820 --> 00:55:25,020 Aerial Phenomene Investigation Society of Oly-Anne, New York through the cooperation 537 00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:31,340 on this radio station. The U.F. Full Story will continue at the same time next week. 538 00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:37,740 This is W-A-L-K-A-M-N-FAT-SHA, I guess. 539 00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:44,860 The Aerial Phenomene Investigation Society with headquarters in Oly-Anne, New York presents 540 00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:50,300 the U.F. Full Story, a public service information program through the courtesy of this radio station. 541 00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:57,180 This weekly program will present factual and authentic reports on unidentified flying objects 542 00:55:57,180 --> 00:56:02,220 to world over and will present editorials by men and women from various fields of 543 00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:09,260 high standing from around the globe. And now, the U.F. Full Story, Bob Berry reporting. 544 00:56:10,940 --> 00:56:16,940 Now, let's get down to some pretty serious accounts concerning Captain Peter Kylian and the big 545 00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:23,180 hush-hush regarding his UFO sighting on Tuesday night, February 24, 1959. 546 00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:31,100 The Aerial Phenomene Investigation Society received official reports from three serious-minded UFO 547 00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:38,860 investigative groups on Thursday, April 2, 1959. First of all, a report from a member of the New 548 00:56:38,860 --> 00:56:44,860 York Saucer Information Bureau with headquarters in New York City. This report comes from Miss 549 00:56:44,860 --> 00:56:48,300 Mary Ann Abest of Brooklyn, New York at State's Quote, 550 00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:54,780 Suppose you have heard of the silencing of our American Airlines pilot, Captain Kylian. I heard 551 00:56:54,780 --> 00:57:00,300 him speak and tell his story at a meeting of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial 552 00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:06,300 Phenomene Affiliate here in Brooklyn, March the 12th. Then he was to appear on the keynote 553 00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:12,780 program last Friday. Now, at this point, she is referring to Major Donald E. Keyhole, U.S. Marine 554 00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:19,980 Corps retired and the director of NICAP, Washington, D.C., and at a New York Saucer Information 555 00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:26,060 Bureau membership meeting on Saturday the 28th of March. Instead, the Air Force visited him to 556 00:57:26,060 --> 00:57:32,780 serve notice. He was told not to talk. Captain Kylian canceled his dinner engagement with Major 557 00:57:32,780 --> 00:57:38,940 Keyhole. His wife almost in tears did the telephoning cancellation of the engagement. 558 00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:46,860 Kylian was too upset to talk. If he had continued, it would have been at a price of losing his job 559 00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:52,460 with American Airlines. Major Keyhole promised that a congressman from Baltimore is going to raise 560 00:57:52,460 --> 00:57:58,860 a stake to one Congress and that Captain Kylian will have his day in court. We all see he also 561 00:57:58,860 --> 00:58:05,180 reports a great deal of interest in Captain on Capitol Hill in an investigation into the secrecy 562 00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:12,940 policy. She also reported the same outline for the Organization Understanding, Unit Number 14 563 00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:20,300 of Brooklyn, New York, of which she also is a member. The third report of this incident on Captain 564 00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:25,580 Kylian's hush-up came from Douglas Smates, the director of the New York Division headquarters 565 00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:31,420 in Buffalo, New York, of the Intercontinental Aerial Research Foundation, another very serious 566 00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:37,900 minor UFO investigative group. It states, quote, Captain Peter Kylian has been requested not to 567 00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:43,900 relate his story further. I think others have been approached also. Major Keyhole ruffled. 568 00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:50,700 More later, signed Douglas Smates, unquote. Well, there it is in a nutshell. The man has been told 569 00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:56,540 to shut up or stand a chance of losing his job. What's behind all this to do anyway? First of all, 570 00:58:56,540 --> 00:59:02,140 Captain Kylian was given permission by American Airlines of Detroit to release his report to the 571 00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:08,860 reports of reporters of radio, newspaper, and television, a matter of a few weeks' zoos by and 572 00:59:08,860 --> 00:59:15,100 now, according to these three reports from UFO groups, the Air Force has told him to quit and 573 00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:23,100 to be quiet. It's not quite clear as yet whether he was approached directly by the Air Force or 574 00:59:23,180 --> 00:59:28,940 whether the order came from company headquarters. As soon as the complete information is available, 575 00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:34,940 we'll get it to you immediately. But regardless, I think it's time that the people of this country 576 00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:43,260 get busy, sit down and write their congressman a letter and demand a complete, thorough, and honest 577 00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:51,580 investigation into the unidentified flying objects. Let the congressman hear the reports from other 578 00:59:51,580 --> 00:59:59,260 sources other than the Air Force. You know, there's two sides to this UFO mystery. The Air Force and 579 00:59:59,260 --> 01:00:06,940 the thousands upon thousands that have seen these UFOs. Let the Air Force try to tell some of those 580 01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:12,540 that they've been seeing things or didn't know what they were looking at at the time and that it was 581 01:00:12,540 --> 01:00:18,460 a known object misidentified. Incidentally, I would like to add at this time that the New York Daily 582 01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:25,900 News carried a report on February the 26th of 1959 concerning another UFO sighting. I quote, 583 01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:34,620 Copenhagen, February the 25th special, two Scandinavian airline pilots reported independently 584 01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:41,820 today that they had seen square-flag saucers last night over Denmark. I'm quote, man, dig that crazy 585 01:00:41,820 --> 01:00:50,140 report. Now, what's unusual about this is that their sighting reported independently remember 586 01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:57,660 occurred on the very same night as that of Captain Peter Gillian and the other two pilots of American 587 01:00:57,660 --> 01:01:04,460 Airlines. Plus, the sightings made by Air Force pilots. Come on, you guys. Let's get off of that 588 01:01:04,460 --> 01:01:10,380 high stool of secrecy and let us in on the facts. It's the facts we want, not a bunch of running 589 01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:17,900 around and trying to avoid the issues. Let's have the facts. I wonder if the Scandinavian pilots 590 01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:26,140 have been told to climb up. Staying on the Captain Gillian story for a little while longer, let's 591 01:01:26,140 --> 01:01:32,140 look at the general routine of happenings that occur after a series of UFO sightings that involve 592 01:01:32,140 --> 01:01:39,820 a lot of people the country over. The world, for that matter, first of all, we have all the sightings 593 01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:47,420 of the month of February, 1959. Now, these sightings were made by competent pilots of commercial 594 01:01:47,420 --> 01:01:54,540 airlines as well as competent pilots of the U.S. Air Force, plus persons from all walks of life. 595 01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:59,340 Now, what does the Air Force have to say about all of these February sightings? Well, 596 01:02:00,620 --> 01:02:07,260 it's their usual pattern. And you'll bear me out on this if you've been a constant follower of UFO 597 01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:15,900 reports and analysis. It's to debunk the whole thing as a bunch of nothing and make those reporting 598 01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:21,980 the sightings look like a bunch of stupid people, which in turn would have future effects on persons 599 01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:29,500 sightings UFOs and will actually, they would have a hesitation, making a report for fear of being 600 01:02:29,500 --> 01:02:37,180 ridiculed, rather a poor system, I think, and so do many others. Let's look at a report from the 601 01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:47,660 February, March, 1959 issue of the UFO Investigator. Now, this is distributed by the National 602 01:02:47,660 --> 01:02:53,980 Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena with Major Donald E. Keyhole, U.S. Marine Corps 603 01:02:53,980 --> 01:03:01,020 retired as his director with headquarters in Washington, D.C. The headline in this particular 604 01:03:01,020 --> 01:03:09,420 bulletin state quote, Air Force spokesman ridicules UFO witnesses, say some are drunks. Action follows 605 01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:16,540 airline pilots report a UFO formation in an attempt to discredit six airliner crews who reported a 606 01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:23,740 UFO formation and Air Force headquarters spokesman has publicly ridiculed all flying 607 01:03:23,740 --> 01:03:30,860 salsa witnesses. Some were sarcastically labeled as persons who, quote, can't remember anything 608 01:03:30,860 --> 01:03:36,380 when they sober up the next day, unquote. The rest implied the official spokesman 609 01:03:36,380 --> 01:03:44,140 either were deluded by ordinary objects or were outright liars. This official Air Force statement 610 01:03:44,140 --> 01:03:50,540 was in direct answer to an inquiry by the New York Cal Tribune about the sighting of the UFO 611 01:03:50,540 --> 01:03:58,620 formation by six American and United Airlines crews on February the 24th, 1959. The Air Force 612 01:03:58,620 --> 01:04:07,180 answer appeared in the March 1 edition of the newspaper. Well, first of all, since rigid 613 01:04:07,180 --> 01:04:14,140 airline rules prohibit pre-flight drinking, as the Air Force well knows, this was obviously a 614 01:04:14,140 --> 01:04:21,340 deliberate slur. Apparently the Air Force spokesman hoped by grouping the pilots as drunks to offset 615 01:04:21,340 --> 01:04:27,660 the testimony of these capable observers. At best, the Air Force statement branded the crews 12 616 01:04:27,660 --> 01:04:34,780 pilots and several flight engineers as incompetent or deluded. Let's check out the United 617 01:04:34,780 --> 01:04:42,220 Airlines pilots report. Three crews of United Airlines also spotted the mystery objects reported 618 01:04:42,220 --> 01:04:51,180 by Captain Kiyun on Tuesday, February the 24th of 1959. In one case, Captain AD Yates reported the 619 01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:59,020 objects were tracked from 840 to 910 p.m. between Rock Cave in Pennsylvania and Youngstown, Ohio. 620 01:04:59,020 --> 01:05:05,500 This was confirmed by Flight Engineer L. E. Bayney. The UFOs were also seen by the crews of 621 01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:13,820 United flights number 937 and 321, both flying west from Newark. While observing the objects, 622 01:05:13,820 --> 01:05:19,500 the crews had discussed them by radio. All the pilots and flight engineers agreed that the lights 623 01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:26,300 were on separate vehicles which were holding a formation. At Akron, Ohio, added confirmation 624 01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:34,700 came from ground witnesses. Between 9.15 and 9.20 p.m., several UFO reports were logged on the 625 01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:41,900 Akron UFO Research Group. All the witnesses described three glowing objects. In Detroit, 626 01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:49,500 Lieutenant Colonel Lee B. James, an Army missile expert associated with Werner von Braun in the 627 01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:56,380 Army Ordinance Missile Command at Huntsville, said that the objects seen in the air by the 628 01:05:56,380 --> 01:06:02,540 airline's crews were quite possibly from outer space. Quoting him now, he says, 629 01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:09,340 I know they are not from here, said the missile expert, and they are not coming from Russia. 630 01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:17,580 We in this civilization are not that advanced yet, unquote. Colonel James went on to say that if the 631 01:06:17,660 --> 01:06:24,620 crews and passengers really saw what they reported, the objects, quote, would have to come from outer 632 01:06:24,620 --> 01:06:32,620 space, a civilization decades ahead of ours, unquote. Well, this is part one of the research UFO 633 01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:38,860 sightings and Air Force reaction. Let's take a look at part two and a complete turnabout by the 634 01:06:38,860 --> 01:06:48,220 Air Force by denying they knew of a certain sighting of a TV engineer for WCHS TV in Charleston, 635 01:06:48,220 --> 01:06:54,300 West Virginia. This one is a Lulu and someone certainly owes an explanation somewhere. 636 01:06:57,820 --> 01:07:04,780 Thanks to the daily mail of Charleston, West Virginia and Hugh McPherson of radio station WCHS 637 01:07:04,780 --> 01:07:10,540 Charleston for the following report. Now listen closely to the facts. Then listen to the reply 638 01:07:10,540 --> 01:07:16,300 sent to me by the Air Force in Washington and you draw your own conclusions, quote. 639 01:07:17,980 --> 01:07:25,980 At 4.20 a.m. on February 7, 1959, a strange object descended from above and hovered for a few 640 01:07:25,980 --> 01:07:33,500 seconds over a car driving along a lonely stretch of U.S. Route 601 somewhere in South Carolina. 641 01:07:33,580 --> 01:07:42,460 The driver of the car was Emmett West, 1216 Baines Street, an engineer at WCHS TV in Charleston. 642 01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:49,020 He related his experience as follows. I was driving along and noticed the hood of my car was 643 01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:55,900 reflecting a greenish colored light. Looking up, I saw a large round object disumbing directly on 644 01:07:55,900 --> 01:08:03,340 the car. It appeared to be about 100 feet in diameter. It stopped at about 5,000 feet above me 645 01:08:03,340 --> 01:08:09,020 and hovered there for nearly a minute. West stated, he said the object then began to drift 646 01:08:09,020 --> 01:08:15,260 horizontally to the left. I got a wonderful view of it then, he said. It was flying on the bottom 647 01:08:15,260 --> 01:08:21,020 and had a curved top. There was a sort of luminescent band of greenish light surrounding it, 648 01:08:21,020 --> 01:08:26,620 but the center was white. West thought the car and started to back up to observe the strange 649 01:08:26,620 --> 01:08:34,460 object longer. As soon as I started backing up, it left West stated. It moved horizontally and was 650 01:08:34,460 --> 01:08:40,380 out of sight over the horizon in a matter of seconds. I've never seen anything move so fast. 651 01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:50,460 West, who is a ham radio operator and carries a radio transmitter in his car, attempted to contact 652 01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:56,700 other ham stations in the area to confirm his experience. None could be reached. Upon reaching 653 01:08:56,700 --> 01:09:02,700 Bluefield, West Virginia, West contacted the Civil Air Patrol to see if they had any reports. 654 01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:09,820 They didn't. Arriving in Charleston several hours later, he discovered that the Air Force 655 01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:15,900 had called for him and wanted him to contact them immediately. He got in touch with the 656 01:09:15,900 --> 01:09:22,620 officials at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. They talked to him for some time. 657 01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:28,300 Now, I was informed that the long-distance telephone conversation lasted for a period 658 01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:34,780 of 55 minutes. Now, they wanted to know exactly what had happened regarding his sighting. 659 01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:42,700 In all, they asked me the same thing three times. West said, I guess they were trying to see if my 660 01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:47,260 story varied, but it didn't. West had some questions for the Air Force, too. 661 01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:58,220 Quote, Was my experience unusual? He asked. Not at all, was the reply. Well, did anyone else report 662 01:09:58,220 --> 01:10:04,620 the same thing I did? It's possible, was the answer. Air Force officials were devolved no 663 01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:12,380 further information. West is not a person to get excited easily. He has flown for 20 years, 664 01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:17,740 and is not knowing among his friends, is a person who believes unexplained things readily. 665 01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:24,300 I'd heard about it in the By flying objects for years, he stated. Although I didn't deny their 666 01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:30,860 existence, I wanted to see for myself. I considered them possible, but not probable. 667 01:10:34,060 --> 01:10:39,500 But now, I'm fairly convinced that there's something to all of these stories that you hear. 668 01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:47,500 West stated, When I saw that night had to be controlled, and common sense will tell you whatever 669 01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:56,220 it was could not have been anything we know, he said. It couldn't have been a flare. They don't 670 01:10:56,220 --> 01:11:01,820 hover in midair or travel horizontally. I would also rule out balloons. They couldn't possibly 671 01:11:01,820 --> 01:11:08,460 attain the speed this object did. West continued by saying, Quote, I certainly don't believe it 672 01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:12,780 could have been anything put into the air by the United States or any other country. His 673 01:11:12,780 --> 01:11:18,540 ambition now was to see the inside of one of those objects. Next, let's recheck the letter I sent to 674 01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:24,860 the Air Force regarding west siding and the results of the Air Force reply. That will be the activity 675 01:11:25,820 --> 01:11:35,180 of the UFO story in just a moment. Getting along now with the Emmet West siding, I was 676 01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:40,780 discussing recently. First of all, I'll read the section of my letter to the Air Technical 677 01:11:40,780 --> 01:11:47,100 Intelligence Center at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, state of Ohio, dated February the 28th of 1959. 678 01:11:47,100 --> 01:11:53,500 Quote, The chief engineer of television station WCHS-TV Charleston, West Virginia, was returning 679 01:11:53,500 --> 01:11:58,060 from the state of Florida during the week of February the 15th, and while in the state of 680 01:11:58,060 --> 01:12:04,060 North Carolina around 4 a.m., a right-to-air full came into the area and hovered directly over his 681 01:12:04,060 --> 01:12:11,260 car, lining up the area around his automobile. Now for the reply of the Air Force regarding 682 01:12:11,260 --> 01:12:17,500 west siding and his conversation with officials at ATIC and Dayton. The Air Force letter from 683 01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:24,700 Washington, D.C., dated March the 18th, 1959, states as follows, Quote, The Charleston, West 684 01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:31,260 Virginia siding during the week of February the 15th has not been reported to the U.S. Air Force. 685 01:12:31,260 --> 01:12:37,740 The statement that ATIC officials interviewed anyone concerning this siding is absolutely 686 01:12:37,740 --> 01:12:45,340 false, unquote. Wow, now what have we here? The only thing offhand that I can think of is the fact 687 01:12:45,340 --> 01:12:52,780 that in my letter I stated the wrong date. The siding occurred on the 7th of February, 688 01:12:52,780 --> 01:12:58,780 and I was under the impression that it was the 15th. That one had given the Air Force the proper 689 01:12:58,780 --> 01:13:04,940 grounds to disown the report since it did not occur on February the 15th. Regardless, I am 690 01:13:04,940 --> 01:13:10,780 quite sure that there are enough details that they would know of whom I was referring to and could 691 01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:15,980 have given me the requested information regarding the conversation between ATIC officials and us 692 01:13:15,980 --> 01:13:21,340 to us, providing it did take place. There is definitely something in the wind here, and we re 693 01:13:21,340 --> 01:13:26,780 going to dig into this matter a little deeper. Now to get to the correct facts, the dates and all 694 01:13:26,780 --> 01:13:32,300 of the necessary information, and to do this, another letter had to be sent to the Air Force 695 01:13:32,300 --> 01:13:39,580 with the correct information. I'll relay the letter to you next week. Well, that wraps it up for this 696 01:13:39,580 --> 01:13:44,220 week. The time is gone once again, and if you have any questions concerning unidentified flying 697 01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:50,140 objects, send a letter to me, Bob Berry, in care of ATHAS, and we'll do our best to answer your 698 01:13:50,140 --> 01:13:54,940 questions. The U.F. Full Story is a public information program presented by the Area of 699 01:13:54,940 --> 01:13:59,900 Phenomenon Investigations Society of Olia, New York.